Daniel Malyon
Daniel Malyon

To answer this, I have no idea why it came up 5 times, I posted it once, reposted it after noting a mistake (Copticworld has no edit option) and then deleted as I was concerned it would lead to a capital letter filled, aggressive response riddled with personal insults.

The Original post (I always save them on word) said:
"We are all sinners but all do what we can. Going online and verbally attacking a man working in a role where living a peaceful existence is impossible (They always say those in power struggle more with sin) from behind a computer screen, on an article where he speaks out against oppression of our Christian brothers is no Christian action either. Let God judge and work on your own salvation.


If you look at the History of the Church you will see that all those in power had to commit acts such as waging war, killing opponents, fighting battles, paying off spies, assassination. The Armenian Empire, the Byzantines, the Syrians, the Ethiopian Empire and even Coptic Vizers to the Fatimid and Ayuubid Sultans committed acts of political intrigue yet all sought absolution and the Eucharist to help them. Putin also does this, recieves confession and guidence. He has a long way to go in his Spiritual life but we all have our sins. Do not come on here ranting at his, calling him no Christian. We would all be judged likewise for not acting perfectly in whatever station of life we are placed.

He is an Orthodox Christian (Yes, Christian, as St Ignatius in the 1st put it, someone who received Baptism in the Apostolic Church. Making him more Christian by the 1st Century view than any Protestants or other groups!) leader, one who is part of the Apostolic Faith and (though I disagree with many of his policies) works for the revival of the Orthodox Faith in a country which has been marred by Militant Atheism and Western influence. Because you live in different conditions and say you would not act as he is, it does not make you better than him.

As for your comment that in 'our view' he does god but not in the view of those but not to the 'adherents of Same Sex Marriage' he is supporting the view of the Scripture, Fathers and that sustained by the Church. If those who oppose it do so then that is theirs to bare, as he is simply using what God has given him in order to prevent those struggling with this sin from promoting it. We cannot judge them but he has every right to guide them in such a way. His actions there are supported by the Patriarch in Moscow, so the Church supports this. HH Pope Shenouda III of Blessed memory stated that "Homosexuals have no right except the right to repent" so his view on the matter is clear also, as with Pope Tawadros who wouldn't support Same Sex marriage either.

If you wish to blame a Canonically Orthodox Patriarchate for Putin not living up to your expectations as to what allows someone to be called a Christian then that is your prerogative. Just keep in mind that the Orthodox Heirarchy and heads of the Apostolic Church do not agree with you. They all accept that he is one.

Our Pope supports the Egyptian military, who only 2 years ago massacred Copts at Maspero. He does this as it is the safest thing at the moment (The lesser of 2 evils) and in the current political climate. Putin acts in his ways as they are what he feels are the best for now and for Russia in his view. You do not know the full situation and none of us outside the Kremlin do. So do not judge.

Anyway,I have said enough now. Either way, it is awful for you to judge a man in such a manner and think yourself so righteous from behind a computer screen. You can call the man a dictator (As at least 90% of Christian rulers have been in history) and criticise his acts (We all have sins and acts in our life which are not perfect or even adequate for our lives) but to negate the title of 'Christian' given to him at his Sacramental Baptism and demonstrated through his common partaking in the Sacraments of Communion and Confession, on an Orthodox site is baffling and inappropriate.

God Bless and keep you, Pray for me the sinner,
Daniel"

Points as to your response:
1) I never said you couldn't call him a dictator, or even criticise him as a dictator.

2) "And obviously I did NOT know that he was a Christian." Then leave it at that and, next time, fact check before you post about the faith that someone holds. Your defences of the claim in your last post rather than saying "oops, my mistake" are what led others to believe you were judging what a Christian is by means other than those of the Church.

3) "I believe what one accuses another of often reflects what one is doing oneself" That is true but I, and others, are not the ones making personal insults or stressing capitals.

4) "You are NOT the freedom of speech police, so stop acting like it and grow up." Again, personal attacks are not something for an Orthodox Christian forum especially when one was simply responding to something I perceived as a factual error in your post (Saying he was not Christian) rather than attacking your opinion that he is not a nice person.

Anyway, I also want to leave this point alone. If we misinterpreted you view and you genuinely didn't know that he is an Orthodox Christian then I apologise. Your aggressive defence of the post seemed to confuse many of us, mine was simply a response to that.

God Bless and keep you,
Daniel

Eirene Australia
Eirene Australia

Quite obviously the other commentators did not read my last comment, (which alas is NOT SHOWN on this page) saying I never dreamt Putin would be a Christian, due to his human rights record which is reprehensible. And obviously I did NOT know that he was a Christian.
I have since received 5 comments from Danielmal - all exactly the same,( maybe his finger got stuck on "Send") none of them shown on this Commentary Page, accusing me of many
heinous crimes, amongst which "ranting" appears to be a favourite! So, I am writing this publically to say (a) there are good and bad dictators - calling them so does not make one
judgemental, merely realistic! (What would you call Mubarek, Daniel? Or is that too close
to your fine line of judgementalism?) (b) I believe what one accuses another of often reflects
what one is doing oneself - in this case RANTING might need to be examined, Daniel, because
only once before have I received the same Comment Message at the staggering number of
times you sent it. FYI - anyone and everyone has the right to say anything, whether from behind
a computer screen, on Twitter and Facebook or standing on a Soap Box outside Buckingham Palace! You are NOT the freedom of speech police, so stop acting like it and grow up. I do NOT
wish to hear from you again in this regard. I have said my piece on Putin (which was my right) and will NOT be hounded by you, or anyone, for expressing my free opinion. Get it?

ASinner
ASinner

It was the words "if he converts to Christianity" that confused me. I thought that as a baptised Orthodox Church member Vladimir Putin is a Christian. How good or bad a Christian is not my place to judge. He answers to his Master, not me. I answer to that same Master

Eirene Australia
Eirene Australia

From Vladimir Putin's actions, (i.e. his ruthless obliteration of all political opponents, to the extent of even recently encouraging a posthumous trial for a lawyer who was beaten to death in prison in 2005 awaiting trial for trumped up charges of embezzlement), I would never have DREAMT he was a Christian. This is good news indeed. There is room for repentance! However, saying he is a dictator is simply calling it as it is - not being judgemental. In the Dictator Classifications there are benevolent ones and ghastly ones - is it judgemental to say so? Of course not! Putin is doing SOME GOOD here - in our view, but not to the adherents of Same Sex Marriage. I go to Church weekly too, but am still a sinner! Lord have mercy!

Daniel Malyon
Daniel Malyon

Have I just seen someone say that Putin isn't Christian? He goes to Church weekly and supports the Church, even speaking at the 1000th anniversary of the conversion of the Rus.

Hope
Hope

Guys, let us not discriminate or judge, he is using his power to do good. Remembering that most powerful leaders have aided the persecution of christians & have not opposed same sex marriage. Let us give credit where it is due with the thought that no one is perfect or without sin. GBU


Tony Mikhail
Tony Mikhail

AGREED Eirene..

I know enough to confirm that ANYONE with too much power assumes some sort of dictatorship..
Either way though, he is now being truthful.. So, we can only pray that God opens his heart!!

:)

ASinner
ASinner

If he converts to Christianity? You do not consider him an Orthodox Christian?

Eirene Australia
Eirene Australia

Whoops - I meant Vladimir folks! My apologies to all!

Eirene Australia
Eirene Australia

Alexander Putin is a dictator in democratic disguise. However, his stand here must be applauded!
If he converts to Christianity, that would be wonderful. Who would have imagined that Russia, formerly Communist, would be one of the few countries in an increasingly godless Europe to have the guts to make a stand for righteousness?!